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		<title>By: ivyserpent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivyserpent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Misunderstood what i was saying. For example, if I said, I stopped watching Desperate Housewives because i hated the treatment of women on the show. HOWEVER, I am still going to continue reading the recaps and discuss it with people online about current story lines. That is still watching the show. You are up to date with current story lines. If you REALLY stopped watching the show, you wouldn&#039;t read the recaps, write in depth blogs like this one, and discuss the show&#039;s story lines/characters on fansites like this one. The show wouldn&#039;t be of interest to you anymore. I know people that hate soaps because of the reasons you stated above. I don&#039;t see them reading recaps and discussing story lines. I don&#039;t blog about shows that I don&#039;t watch anymore, nor read re-caps. I only blog about shows that entertain me.  That&#039;s all I was saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misunderstood what i was saying. For example, if I said, I stopped watching Desperate Housewives because i hated the treatment of women on the show. HOWEVER, I am still going to continue reading the recaps and discuss it with people online about current story lines. That is still watching the show. You are up to date with current story lines. If you REALLY stopped watching the show, you wouldn&#8217;t read the recaps, write in depth blogs like this one, and discuss the show&#8217;s story lines/characters on fansites like this one. The show wouldn&#8217;t be of interest to you anymore. I know people that hate soaps because of the reasons you stated above. I don&#8217;t see them reading recaps and discussing story lines. I don&#8217;t blog about shows that I don&#8217;t watch anymore, nor read re-caps. I only blog about shows that entertain me.  That&#8217;s all I was saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Otter1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otter1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^^If reading a recap equates watching the show, Y&amp;R’s ratings wouldn’t be an abysmal 3.5.

Your argument is asinine!

Clearly, you like to argue for the sake of argument.  I don’t – it’s non-productive.

So, I rest my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^^If reading a recap equates watching the show, Y&amp;R’s ratings wouldn’t be an abysmal 3.5.</p>
<p>Your argument is asinine!</p>
<p>Clearly, you like to argue for the sake of argument.  I don’t – it’s non-productive.</p>
<p>So, I rest my case.</p>
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		<title>By: ivyserpent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivyserpent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading recaps is watching the show. It&#039;s not visual, but you are in a sense watching it, because you are up to date with the current events. You wrote this blog on a website that talks about Y&amp;R. So you haven&#039;t in a sense stopped watching it, because, you continue to write in a community that talks about Y&amp;R.

The reason I am so persistent, is because I am animator, and I see people who write onto blogs and say how much they hate the show I am working on. They enter community groups like this one, and complain about jokes, etc. How it&#039;s damaging to their children, yada yada yada. I question why they continue watching or reading the recaps if they dislike it so much? Shouldn&#039;t you stop reading recaps, entering fansites, blog talk radio, if you are so disgusted with the show? Even if you have friends online, you took the time to read the recaps and write a review. As an animator, that means you still like the show enough to write this. People that don&#039;t care about my show, don&#039;t analyze like you did. That&#039;s all i was saying really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading recaps is watching the show. It&#8217;s not visual, but you are in a sense watching it, because you are up to date with the current events. You wrote this blog on a website that talks about Y&amp;R. So you haven&#8217;t in a sense stopped watching it, because, you continue to write in a community that talks about Y&amp;R.</p>
<p>The reason I am so persistent, is because I am animator, and I see people who write onto blogs and say how much they hate the show I am working on. They enter community groups like this one, and complain about jokes, etc. How it&#8217;s damaging to their children, yada yada yada. I question why they continue watching or reading the recaps if they dislike it so much? Shouldn&#8217;t you stop reading recaps, entering fansites, blog talk radio, if you are so disgusted with the show? Even if you have friends online, you took the time to read the recaps and write a review. As an animator, that means you still like the show enough to write this. People that don&#8217;t care about my show, don&#8217;t analyze like you did. That&#8217;s all i was saying really.</p>
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		<title>By: Otter1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otter1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivyserpent -- Once again, thank you for continuing to illustrate my point!!!  You&#039;re doing it very well! :)

Your persistence merely confirms that you do not understand why your sense of &quot;entertainment&quot; demonstrates my argument perfectly.  I suggest you go back and carefully reread what I&#039;ve written in the body of my text and in all my comments that followed.

And btw, I don&#039;t watch Y&amp;R anymore.  I haven&#039;t in a while.  Because I&#039;ve made many friends online over the last couple of years, I do read the recaps and chat with my friends.  But for me, the show is just a platform for the building of a community.  

Thus, your alluding to my &quot;hypocrisy&quot; is unfounded. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivyserpent &#8212; Once again, thank you for continuing to illustrate my point!!!  You&#8217;re doing it very well! <img src='http://delusionaltruth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Your persistence merely confirms that you do not understand why your sense of &#8220;entertainment&#8221; demonstrates my argument perfectly.  I suggest you go back and carefully reread what I&#8217;ve written in the body of my text and in all my comments that followed.</p>
<p>And btw, I don&#8217;t watch Y&amp;R anymore.  I haven&#8217;t in a while.  Because I&#8217;ve made many friends online over the last couple of years, I do read the recaps and chat with my friends.  But for me, the show is just a platform for the building of a community.  </p>
<p>Thus, your alluding to my &#8220;hypocrisy&#8221; is unfounded. <img src='http://delusionaltruth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ivyserpent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivyserpent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand your point. I was just arguing that it doesn&#039;t matter if the soap is damaging towards women, or the soaps depiction of relationships is &quot;unhealthy&quot;, because we are going to keep watching it regardless. You proved it with the opening sentence of you watching the soap for over 20 years and continuing.  

&quot;If I can convince one young women (or any women, really) that bickering, abuse, insults, and meaningless sex, is NOT “entertainment,” that, to me is victory and the reason why I wrote this blog!&quot;

This is what shows and movies are based on. It&#039;s entertainment. It must be for you too or you wouldn&#039;t watch it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your point. I was just arguing that it doesn&#8217;t matter if the soap is damaging towards women, or the soaps depiction of relationships is &#8220;unhealthy&#8221;, because we are going to keep watching it regardless. You proved it with the opening sentence of you watching the soap for over 20 years and continuing.  </p>
<p>&#8220;If I can convince one young women (or any women, really) that bickering, abuse, insults, and meaningless sex, is NOT “entertainment,” that, to me is victory and the reason why I wrote this blog!&#8221;</p>
<p>This is what shows and movies are based on. It&#8217;s entertainment. It must be for you too or you wouldn&#8217;t watch it.</p>
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		<title>By: Otter1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otter1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivy Serpent,

The more you write, the more you demonstrate and underscore my point!

So, thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivy Serpent,</p>
<p>The more you write, the more you demonstrate and underscore my point!</p>
<p>So, thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I was wondering about the recaps!!! You guys always do so awesome! most of the time they&#039;re better than the actual show!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I was wondering about the recaps!!! You guys always do so awesome! most of the time they&#8217;re better than the actual show!</p>
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		<title>By: ivyserpent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivyserpent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that shows are heavily influenced on ages 12-17. That&#039;s why we get parents hating Disney for Lindsey Lohan driving drunk because she is supposed to be a role model for young girls, not the mother. Which makes 0 sense. It&#039;s not the soaps responsibility to show the younger audience responsible relationships. They are the writers, it&#039;s your choice to watch or not. 

Another example, is The Simpsons. Parents got so mad at the Simpsons for writing Bart using swear words. The Simpsons is an adult show, why would you be allowing your child to watch the Simpsons when it says on screen adult. I understand how you could watch it because it&#039;s so popular, but you can&#039;t blame the writers for the parents irresponsible behavior. Just like you can&#039;t blame the writers for writing dysfunctional relationship. 
 
I watched soaps when i was in high school but I never looked up to these women or these relationships as a reality. 

People can&#039;t blame the writers for spewing out dysfunctional relationships. That&#039;s what a soap is about. Soap= lies, deception, sex, love, murder, rape, etc. Everything that could go wrong in relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that shows are heavily influenced on ages 12-17. That&#8217;s why we get parents hating Disney for Lindsey Lohan driving drunk because she is supposed to be a role model for young girls, not the mother. Which makes 0 sense. It&#8217;s not the soaps responsibility to show the younger audience responsible relationships. They are the writers, it&#8217;s your choice to watch or not. </p>
<p>Another example, is The Simpsons. Parents got so mad at the Simpsons for writing Bart using swear words. The Simpsons is an adult show, why would you be allowing your child to watch the Simpsons when it says on screen adult. I understand how you could watch it because it&#8217;s so popular, but you can&#8217;t blame the writers for the parents irresponsible behavior. Just like you can&#8217;t blame the writers for writing dysfunctional relationship. </p>
<p>I watched soaps when i was in high school but I never looked up to these women or these relationships as a reality. </p>
<p>People can&#8217;t blame the writers for spewing out dysfunctional relationships. That&#8217;s what a soap is about. Soap= lies, deception, sex, love, murder, rape, etc. Everything that could go wrong in relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: Kare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re still doing the recaps but they&#039;re weekly now instead of daily so stay tuned. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re still doing the recaps but they&#8217;re weekly now instead of daily so stay tuned. <img src='http://delusionaltruth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ivyserpent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivyserpent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Desperate Housewives first aired, what happened in the first episode. Gaby, (Eva longoria Parker) was having an affair with the gardener. That alone! Intrigued viewers to watch the show, and it&#039;s one of the most watched evening soaps on abc. Women wanted to see Gaby have an affair, lie to her husband, cheat,disgrace her vows, and most importantly get caught and yelled at by her husband. Carlos and Gaby have a dysfunctional relationship, they both have cheated on each other, and hurt each other, and call each other names. With all that drama it makes it entertaining. 30 million viewers each week are entertained by that. 

Like Chloe and Billy, they have the same banter between them and it&#039;s funny to watch them go at it, because they throw in jokes along with the arguing. You can&#039;t have just sincere couples on the show, there would be no soap. The arguing equals the passion between the characters. It&#039;s not that surprising when you think about it,soaps and prime time shows use this recipe all the time. If you don&#039;t like this type i don&#039;t understand why you watch soaps in general? That&#039;s really all it&#039;s based on. And if there is one honest relationship, you know it doesn&#039;t last. Something goes wrong and the abuse begins! Soaps aren&#039;t built on honest and loving relationships. That doesn&#039;t define a soap. I asked a random guy today, what&#039;s the first thing that came to mind when he heard &quot;Soap&quot;. He said Mistress. Not loving relationships with honesty. It&#039;s boring to watch a couple be in love, have logical conversations, honesty, and work on their problems. That doesn&#039;t sound like a soap to me? When I think of &quot;soaps and relationships&quot; I think people cheating on each other, hurt, pain, lies, disgrace, lack of honesty, and throw in some love, but I know it doesn&#039;t last. 

People enjoy the &quot;banter&quot; type, because it&#039;s not the same, &quot;I fell in love with you when i first saw you&quot; type. It&#039;s fine to have that type, but it can get boring because it&#039;s so predictable. People want the unpredictable, and seeing Billy who has claimed to hate Chloe, couldn&#039;t stand to be around her, actually eat his words and realize that he cared and is getting burned because she moved on with chance. It will be interesting for me to watch, because I saw nothing but hate in that relationship from Billy so i am curious how they would write that if they go in that direction.   

The problem that I saw with Y&amp;R, was that they made all the women weak at the same time. I don&#039;t mind weak women, because that is partly what a soap is about. However, it seemed to show the women chasing after all the men, that seemed to not want them. They weren&#039;t showing the women working, so there was no independence coming from them at all. There has to be a balance between the weak and the strong. They failed to deliver that in those months.

Maybe some of you are the old fashioned &quot;I fell madly in love at first sight&quot;. I don&#039;t know why you are watching soaps, because all the relationships are never healthy. What relationship is healthy on soaps? All of them are dysfunctional or become dysfunctional. Your paragraph reminds me of the paper I wrote in my Sociology class in college when i broke down every show on tv and said how it was degrading towards women. But, I found myself still watching those same shows that I destroyed! Even though it&#039;s dysfunctional you have been watching for over 20 years and blogging about it. And if Chilly gets back together, you will probably watch it and write another blog. It&#039;s working for you on some level, for you to keep watching it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Desperate Housewives first aired, what happened in the first episode. Gaby, (Eva longoria Parker) was having an affair with the gardener. That alone! Intrigued viewers to watch the show, and it&#8217;s one of the most watched evening soaps on abc. Women wanted to see Gaby have an affair, lie to her husband, cheat,disgrace her vows, and most importantly get caught and yelled at by her husband. Carlos and Gaby have a dysfunctional relationship, they both have cheated on each other, and hurt each other, and call each other names. With all that drama it makes it entertaining. 30 million viewers each week are entertained by that. </p>
<p>Like Chloe and Billy, they have the same banter between them and it&#8217;s funny to watch them go at it, because they throw in jokes along with the arguing. You can&#8217;t have just sincere couples on the show, there would be no soap. The arguing equals the passion between the characters. It&#8217;s not that surprising when you think about it,soaps and prime time shows use this recipe all the time. If you don&#8217;t like this type i don&#8217;t understand why you watch soaps in general? That&#8217;s really all it&#8217;s based on. And if there is one honest relationship, you know it doesn&#8217;t last. Something goes wrong and the abuse begins! Soaps aren&#8217;t built on honest and loving relationships. That doesn&#8217;t define a soap. I asked a random guy today, what&#8217;s the first thing that came to mind when he heard &#8220;Soap&#8221;. He said Mistress. Not loving relationships with honesty. It&#8217;s boring to watch a couple be in love, have logical conversations, honesty, and work on their problems. That doesn&#8217;t sound like a soap to me? When I think of &#8220;soaps and relationships&#8221; I think people cheating on each other, hurt, pain, lies, disgrace, lack of honesty, and throw in some love, but I know it doesn&#8217;t last. </p>
<p>People enjoy the &#8220;banter&#8221; type, because it&#8217;s not the same, &#8220;I fell in love with you when i first saw you&#8221; type. It&#8217;s fine to have that type, but it can get boring because it&#8217;s so predictable. People want the unpredictable, and seeing Billy who has claimed to hate Chloe, couldn&#8217;t stand to be around her, actually eat his words and realize that he cared and is getting burned because she moved on with chance. It will be interesting for me to watch, because I saw nothing but hate in that relationship from Billy so i am curious how they would write that if they go in that direction.   </p>
<p>The problem that I saw with Y&amp;R, was that they made all the women weak at the same time. I don&#8217;t mind weak women, because that is partly what a soap is about. However, it seemed to show the women chasing after all the men, that seemed to not want them. They weren&#8217;t showing the women working, so there was no independence coming from them at all. There has to be a balance between the weak and the strong. They failed to deliver that in those months.</p>
<p>Maybe some of you are the old fashioned &#8220;I fell madly in love at first sight&#8221;. I don&#8217;t know why you are watching soaps, because all the relationships are never healthy. What relationship is healthy on soaps? All of them are dysfunctional or become dysfunctional. Your paragraph reminds me of the paper I wrote in my Sociology class in college when i broke down every show on tv and said how it was degrading towards women. But, I found myself still watching those same shows that I destroyed! Even though it&#8217;s dysfunctional you have been watching for over 20 years and blogging about it. And if Chilly gets back together, you will probably watch it and write another blog. It&#8217;s working for you on some level, for you to keep watching it.</p>
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